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Bear spray (long -- sorry)

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Bear spray (long -- sorry)

From: Mark Sheehan (sheehan@alumni.indiana.edu) | Date: 2001-07-12 17:28:56 UTC-06:00
We live just 50 crowflight miles from Yellowstone National Park, where bears are a constant in the environment. While they try their best (in both Yellowstone and Glacier) to close trails when bears have been sighted, the National Park Service recommends that hikers carry bear spray. See:

http://www.nps.gov/yell/tours/rangerlife/bearspray.htm

I agree with Eric that the spray is useful mostly as a very-last line of defense, and with Kimberly that knowledge of bear habits and behavior is very useful in avoiding encounters in the first place, which is much to be preferred over dealing with an encounter.

The minimum size bear spray recommended for grizzlies is 9 oz. That's a fairly large canister -- roughly three-quarters of a soda-pop can. Little dog- or person-sized containers simply won't do the job.

The "hotness" of the spray varies, too. It's measured in "Scoville units." Get the hottest available. Expect to pay about $40. Carry it on your belt or pack strap. If you surprise a bear you may have only a few seconds (if that) to get the spray out and discharge it. I've heard you should only spray if you're DEFINITELY being charged and the bear is within 30 feet (less if you can stand it); many charges are bluffs.

If you're in real danger, with a very aggressive bear very close to you, you can't afford to worry about whether you're up- or down-wind; if you've surprised the grizzly you're most likely downwind and are going to get some mist in your face. If you do, you'll be in absolute agony for 45 minutes or more, but the bear will get the full force of the liquid, which will be much more potent; you should recover before the bear does. If I'm ever in that situation, I'll go ahead and shoot -- at least it will reduce my chance of being mauled and unless I claw my own eyes out or something, I won't be permanently injured.

MORE ON PREVENTION

The conventional wisdom here in grizzly country is that the human voice is the best tool for alerting bears IN ADVANCE to your presence, giving them time to move out of your vicinity, which most of them will do eagerly, and thereby avoiding an encounter in the first place. Sing, holler, yodel, ululate (like Xena), or make any other LOUD, uniquely human sound at frequent intervals when you're hiking in bear country. Double the frequency in thick timber, around running water, or when it's windy because those factors make you harder for the bear to hear.

Of course warning the bears that you're around also warns everything else. If you're hiking in order to see wildlife you'll be reluctant to make much noise. This is a dilemma I face every time I hike.

ABOUT BEAR BELLS

Out here we generally snicker at people (99% non-local tourists) who put little jingle bells on their hiking staffs, thinking that doing so will repel bears. Jingle bells can't be heard more than a few dozen feet away! Try it sometime in thick timber! Kathy and I hiked in Glacier in '78 with a big clanking cow-bell and while I think it would probably have been pretty effective it was so annoying that we wound up muffling it sometimes. Probably the worst times.

Since moving to Montana five years ago, I've seen one young black bear in the woods (a forest service campground, really) and one sow grizzly with cub in a remote meadow. (Plus a few black bears seen from the car, which I don't count.) In both cases I was (foolishly) making NO noise. I feel lucky that the grizzly encounter didn't turn out worse. We were downwind, so the sow didn't smell us, and we were just coming up on a rise in the trail so she didn't see us. But it was as close an encounter as I'd want to have. We turned and walked briskly in the opposite direction after allowing 30 seconds for a stealthy peek through the binoculars.

Anyway -- do be careful in bear country! Focus on avoiding encounters, rather than fighting/ spraying/ shooting your way out of them. And work on that yodel!

-Mark

Re: [LbNA] Bear spray (long -- sorry)

From: Todd Lane (tlane@princeton.edu) | Date: 2001-07-12 20:09:47 UTC-04:00


Thanks Mark for the wealth of information and probably the definitive
post on the topic.

There are other animals that you want to give a wide berth. On our
recent trip to the Dakotas a tourist was gored and killed by a bison in
Custer State Park in the Black Hills of S.D. Given that in their range
they are more abundant than bears they are profoundly dangerous. I know
for certain that there are bison in the North Dakota Badlands having
seen one on the trail in Theodore Roosevelt N.P. It was a big bull
(actually they all look big) standing precisely in the middle of the
trail. We we went about a quarter mile out of our way to get around
him. I am not sure if they range south out of the park to the region of
my box but you should keep it in mind when planning your boxing
expedition to the Dakotas (as I am sure you all are doing). To my
knowledge bison are not found with any frequency in NJ so they are less
of a threat when hunting our east coast boxes ;-)


Todd and Pam




Re: [LbNA] Bear spray (long -- sorry)

From: (jrovetto@baysidegroup.net) | Date: 2001-07-13 01:31:59 UTC
You can see a group of Bison at Space Farms.

--- In letterbox-usa@y..., Todd Lane wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Mark for the wealth of information and probably the
definitive
> post on the topic.
>
> There are other animals that you want to give a wide berth. On our
> recent trip to the Dakotas a tourist was gored and killed by a
bison in
> Custer State Park in the Black Hills of S.D. Given that in their
range
> they are more abundant than bears they are profoundly dangerous. I
know
> for certain that there are bison in the North Dakota Badlands having
> seen one on the trail in Theodore Roosevelt N.P. It was a big bull
> (actually they all look big) standing precisely in the middle of the
> trail. We we went about a quarter mile out of our way to get
around
> him. I am not sure if they range south out of the park to the
region of
> my box but you should keep it in mind when planning your boxing
> expedition to the Dakotas (as I am sure you all are doing). To my
> knowledge bison are not found with any frequency in NJ so they are
less
> of a threat when hunting our east coast boxes ;-)
>
>
> Todd and Pam


Re: [LbNA] Bear spray (long -- sorry)

From: chip goss (kancamangusdabull@yahoo.com) | Date: 2001-07-12 20:05:22 UTC-07:00
And when finished hiking:Use the bear spray to flavor
the bland trail food in your campsite... Instant
yummy.


Chip

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And I'll climb, that hill in my own way"

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Re: [LbNA] Bear spray (long -- sorry)

From: Todd W. Lane (tlane@phoenix.Princeton.EDU) | Date: 2001-07-13 00:39:15 UTC-04:00

I am reminded of that really old Saturday Nite Live skit

Shimmer: Its a floor wax thats also a dessert topping!

I think with the proper marketing there is money to be made from a Gourmet
line of bear repellent.

Todd



On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, chip goss wrote:

> And when finished hiking:Use the bear spray to flavor
> the bland trail food in your campsite... Instant
> yummy.
>
>
> Chip
>
> =====
> You pick the place, I'll choose the time,
> And I'll climb, that hill in my own way"
>
> R. Waters
>
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